Misinformation on Budget

Warning: Certain people are going around to all the blogs and spreading rampant and blatant misinformation, and also commenting on articles in the I-Post about the budget - and they are wrong.

Here's the link to the I Post article about the budget.

Here is the article:


Under the article are comments from Iohad2010 - Joe Morelle supporter - she supposedly quotes from the Supervisor and Town Board Manual (who else would have a copy of that but a former tb member?) - and never provides a link to anything she claims. She is spreading blatant misinformation - which is par for the course.

We'll go comment by comment:


1st comment from Iohad:


"How can they approve the preliminary budget when the budget was never recorded in a regular town board meeting or special town board meeting? The law states that the preliminary budget needs to be recorded with the clerk on Sept 30th and then accepted by the town board in a regularly scheduled town board meeting by October 5th, did I miss this? I dont think so. Once again the laws only apply to some people.
And no one reports this..."

First, her dates are wrong - from her "TB Manual" apparently - those are the dates for everyone except Westchester and Monroe Counties.

It doesn't need to be recorded at a 'regularly scheduled town board meeting by October 5th' - NYS Legislature page, (which is listed on the NYS Library website as "Laws of New York", and they provide the link to the NYS legislature page).

If you click on NYS Legislature page, then go to "Laws of New York", then scroll down to "TWN" and click on that, and then go to "Article 8 - (100 - 125) FINANCES", and then go to Section 106 - Preparation, filing and review of tentative and preliminary budgets, you will clearly see that the NYS LAW states:

"2.....on or before the thirtieth day of
October, he shall file in the office of the town clerk the tentative
budget, the budget message, if any, and the estimates and schedules.
3. The town clerk shall present the tentative budget to the town board
at a regular or special meeting to be held on or before the tenth day of November."
"The town board shall review the tentative budget and may make such
changes, alterations and revisions as it shall consider advisable and
which are consistent with law."
"4. Upon the completion of such review, the tentative budget and any
modifications thereof as approved by the town board, shall become the
preliminary budget. The preliminary budget shall be filed in the office
of the town clerk and the town clerk shall reproduce for public
distribution as many copies as the town board may direct."

It doesn't say anywhere in the law that the tentative budget has to be recorded at a 'regularly scheduled town board meeting' - it says the Town Clerk has to present the tentative budget to the TOWN BOARD (not the public) at a regular or special meeting - which the TOWN CLERK did at the workshops. The TOWN BOARD reviewed and approved the tentative budget at the workshops, which then became the preliminary budget. The October 28th STB explains this process at around the 6:13 mark of the video - motion is made, it's seconded, they discuss it and UNANIMOUSLY approve it.

2nd comment from Iohad2010:


"except when lohad does not make it up and the only person who is bitter and negative seems to be cheri evershed!
If tgolan would have kept reading the town law he would have seen it in its entirety...
keep reading...
ch 5 -3 states the TENTATIVE budget is due by Sept 30th (which it was)
THEN the town clerk is to present it to the town board in a REGULAR SHCEDULED BOARD MEETING OR SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING HELD ON OR BEFORE OCT 5th. (it was not) it further states that as a courtesy the supervisor may have already given the town board members the tentative budget as she releases it to the press at that time (9/30)
The TENTATIVE budget is then modified and then becomes the PRELIMINARY BUDGET which is then filed in the clerks office.
Notice of a public hearing needs to go out 5 days in advance which is held on or before the Thursday following the election."

She quotes from a "town law" manual that she does not provide a link to, so we will go with the ACTUAL NYS LAW, which is linked above.

"TENTATIVE budget is due by Sept 30th" - Wrong. It's due by October 30th.

"THEN the town clerk is to present it to the town board in a REGULAR SHCEDULED BOARD MEETING OR SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING HELD ON OR BEFORE OCT 5th." - Workshops are regularly scheduled board meetings that the public is allowed to attend, and the budget was presented to the TOWN BOARD (not the public) at those workshops, as permitted under NYS Law....and it has to be presented to the town board on or before November 10th.

"The TENTATIVE budget is then modified and then becomes the PRELIMINARY BUDGET which is then filed in the clerks office." - Right. Which is what Barb Genier, the town clerk for years, did at the workshop. They approved it at the workshops, and it became the preliminary budget.

"Notice of a public hearing needs to go out 5 days in advance which is held on or before the Thursday following the election." - Right and Wrong. Notice has to go out 5 days in advance of the Public Hearing, to be announced in the official paper. The Public Hearing has to be on or before December 10th.

NYS LAW - TWN - Article 8 - Section 108 - Public Hearing -
"The town board shall hold a public hearing on the preliminary budget showing such changes, alterations and revisions as shall have been made therein by such board pursuant to subdivision three of section one hundred six of this chapter. Such hearing shall be held on or before the tenth day of December."
"Notice of such public hearing shall be published at least once in the official
newspaper......at least five days shall elapse between the date of the first publication of the notice and the date specified for the hearing."

The Legal Notice for the Public Hearing was in the I-Post on October 28th, 2010 - page 4A - Bottom of page:


3rd comment from Iohad2010:


"So, you are saying that the current budget is making up for past budgets? How so? Please share this information with the rest of us.
And while you are at it, please share with us, since you seem to know what everyone is thinking, how they are going to pay $500,000 for St Paul Exempts? And when were they going to share this tidbit with the rest of the town?"

I don't know what she is talking about - the current budget IS making up for the past spending of the last administration - Moody's proves it.

$500,000 for St. Paul Exempts? Where was that recorded in any meeting? I looked at the video from the TBM on 4/20/10 and they mention many fields for the soccer club, and they mention St. Paul Exempts, but they don't mention anything about 500k for it.
April 20th meeting at the 44:19 mark is where it is brought to the table, and at the 45:24 mark is where they mention St. Paul Exempts - nothing about any of the fields costing anything. Of course, Iohad provides no link to back up her accusations.

4th comment from Iohad2010:


"what is your current job again, tgolan? I keep forgetting since you seem to think you are an authority on everyone elses job.
Go back and look at the town law book and the NY state manual.
And to go back to what was originally said the special town board meeting that was just had with not even 24 hours notice was for what? Accepting of the preliminary budget, when the tentative budget was never entered into the record publicly. Its ok, its just a law and no one seems to notice so you are correct, lets go back to the more important issue at hand. The budget. The spending. The code enforcement. The Medley Center. The communication. These are all much more important items to be discussed."

"Go back and look at the town law book and the NY state manual." - she doesn't provide a link, how can we look at it?

"when the tentative budget was never entered into the record publicly." - again, NYS LAW - Article 8 - Section 106 does not say it has to be entered into the record publicly - it only states that the town clerk has to present the tentative budget to the town board at a regular or special meeting - workshops are regularly scheduled public meetings. Barbara has been Town Clerk for years. John and Stephanie have been TB members for years. ALL of them went along with the process - if it was "the law" to do what Iohad said - one of them would have known that. Not one of them said it was against the law or wrong.

5th comment from Iohad2010:


"lol, cheri evershed, you should get back your money for your secret decoder ring...
tgolan, I will explain it again. For starters the info is from 'Town law Manual for Town Sup and TB Mem' pg 37 Ch 5 Fiscal Matters. Now before I begin quoting from this, go back to the 'Tentative town budget' submitted by the supervisor. Read her letter. It states she is submitting the tentative town budget as required by law on 9/30 (which she did at 5pm to be exact) ok so SHE did not get proper advice from her atty regarding Monroe Cnt and Westchester Cty. They DO have those extensions but she didnt know that.
That aside, the tentative town budget was NEVER recorded in a public mtg before the preliminary budget.
pg 38 5-5 Process and Procedural requirements
...'all actions taken by the town board in connection with the budget procedure MUST be taken at a formal mtg of such town board that is either A) a regular mtg held pursuant to a resolution adopted by the tb at their annual organizational mtg or B) at a special town board mtg called for the specific purpose.
I think you will agree, they called a special town board meeting with a resolution for the Preliminary Budget. Never was there a mtg with a resolution for the Tentative town budget. So your dates do not matter and furthermore, as I stated at the beginning the supervisor doesnt seem to be aware that the monroe county has an exception to this rule because her letter to the town states 9/30 (by law) which she did at 5PM"

"the tentative town budget was NEVER recorded in a public mtg before the preliminary budget." - Again, according to NYS LAW - Article 8 - Section 106 - it has to be presented by the town clerk to the town board at a regular or special meeting, it doesn't mention that it has to be recorded, and workshops are regular meetings (that are public) and the dates for the workshops are posted.

"Never was there a mtg with a resolution for the Tentative town budget." - NYS LAW does not require a resolution for tentative budgets. Only that the clerk has to present it to the board at a regular meeting. Workshops are regular meetings.

"So your dates do not matter and furthermore, as I stated at the beginning the supervisor doesnt seem to be aware that the monroe county has an exception to this rule because her letter to the town states 9/30 (by law) which she did at 5PM" - Apparently, dates do matter to Iohad because she started off her comments with dates that were supposed to be followed.....unfortunately, her dates were wrong. She was also wrong about MJD's "by law" statement.

MJD Press Release on 9/30:


Nowhere in that press release does it say "tentative budget by law on 9/30".

"ok so SHE did not get proper advice from her atty regarding Monroe Cnt and Westchester Cty. They DO have those extensions but she didnt know that." - and neither did you because in your first message you quoted those incorrect dates for Monroe County.

6th comment from Iohad2010:


"Her exact words for for the tentative town budget was as follows: '30 September 30, 2010 Dear Residents, Today is the date set by law for the town of Iron tentative 2011 budget to be filed with the town clerk.'...if you go further down to her closing you will note that she also prints the scheduled dates for the workshops and the public hearing for the 2011 town budget but there is no mention of s apecial town board mtg for the admittance into record for the preliminary budget.
I bet, she didnt know she had to do this the public acceptance into record, hence last week with 1 days notice, she had a special tb mtg with a resolution for the preliminary budget."

MJD did not say that in the above press release. At the bottom of the press release is the announcement for the Public Hearing on November 4th.

7th comment from Iohad2010:


"tgolan, so the town did NOT follow the law and lohad did NOT present false information. I will take that apology anytime now.
then you can go back and answer the above questions as well.
have a good day, I will check back later after work."

The town did follow the NYS LAW (not your old manual from when you were a town board member), and you did present false information. You are accusing the Supervisor and TB (that includes John, Stephanie, and Barb) as doing something illegal. If they were not following the proper procedures, one of them would have said something by the time they all approved it at the October 28th meeting.

I chimed in after this, and I was wrong about the clerk presenting the tentative budget at the October 28th meeting (I can admit when I am wrong) - the town clerk presented the tentative budget to the board at the workshops, which are regularly scheduled meetings. The tentative budget does not have to be approved with a resolution at a public "regular tb meeting".

8th comment from Iohad2010:


"jax-you-con-tra-dict-your-self-above."

Where?

"On Sept 30th the Irondequoit Supervisor released her budget to the press and signed it in with the clerk at 5PM. She stated in her letter 'today is the date set by law for the town of Irondequoits TENTATIVE 2011 budget to be filed with the town clerk.'"

No she didn't. You can see the press release above and it doesn't say that anywhere on there.

"That being said, regardless of the date, the procedure was still done wrong."

No - she is using the old Manual she has from when she was a town board member.....and NYS LAW does not support one thing that she has claimed.

In this last message, she is quoting from her manual - but it contradicts every thing she "quoted" from her manual previously. She's got different dates and different "processes" than what she said before.

Here is the NYS LEGISLATIVE LAWS link. Go read for yourselves to see what the law says.

Here's the timetable:

ESTIMATES - Covered in Section 104 - each department head must submit estimates to the budget officer (the Supervisor) on or before October 20th.

FIRE DISTRICT ESTIMATES AND BUDGET - Covered in Section 105 - The board of
commissioners of each fire district must submit their estimates/budget to the budget officer (the Supervisor) on or before November 7th.

TENTATIVE AND PRELIMINARY BUDGETS - Covered in Section 106 - The budget officer (the Supervisor) must file in the office of the town clerk the tentative
budget, the budget message, if any, and the estimates and schedules on or before October 30th. (MJD did on 9/30 - early - which is fine under NYS LAW)

The town clerk shall present the tentative budget to the town board at a regular or special meeting to be held on or before November 10th. (Which she did - at the workshops)

The town board shall review the tentative budget and may make such changes, alterations and revisions as it shall consider advisable and which are consistent with law. (Which they did - at the workshops - it does not have to be approved publicly with a resolution according to NYS LAW)

Upon the completion of such review, the tentative budget and any modifications thereof as approved by the town board, shall become the preliminary budget. The preliminary budget shall be filed in the office of the town clerk and the town clerk shall reproduce for public distribution as many copies as the town board may direct. (Which they did at the workshops - and tentative became preliminary)

PUBLIC HEARING - Covered in Section 108 - Public Hearing for Preliminary Budget must be on or before December 10th, and it must be announced in the official paper at least 5 days before the Public Hearing. The hearing may be adjourned from day to day but not beyond December 15th. (Which they did - Public Hearing was officially announced in IPOST on October 28th, and the Public Hearing is on November 4th)

At such hearing, any person may be heard in favor of or against the preliminary budget as compiled or for or against any item or items therein contained.

FINAL REVISION AND ADOPTION OF BUDGET - Covered in Section 109 - After the public
hearing, the town board may further change, alter and revise the preliminary budget. The preliminary budget as submitted or amended shall be finally adopted by resolution of the town board not later than December 20th.

The preliminary budget as adopted shall be known as the annual budget for the town for the fiscal year beginning on the first day of January next succeeding, and it shall be entered in the minutes of the town board.

In the event that the town board shall fail to adopt a budget as of December 20th, the preliminary budget, with such changes, alterations and revisions, if any, as shall have been made by the town board, shall constitute the budget for the ensuing fiscal year.

And that's it - the TB followed procedures, are early in their submission of estimates, tentative filing, approving the preliminary budgets, and Public Hearing about the Preliminary Budget - but they certainly have not done anything against the law.

Again, if it was against the law - then the whole Town Board and the Town Clerk would be in serious trouble. I highly doubt they would follow a procedure that was illegal, considering John, Stephanie, and Barb have been through this process for years.

Spreading blatant misinformation is the way things were done with the old administration - this current town board is so refreshing because they are not nasty, liars, or misinformed.

Perhaps this just reinforces why they were not re-elected in 2009?

9th comment from Iohad2010:



"No disrespect Jax, though this is getting rather tiresome, I am holding her letter right now. I have copied off both budgets. I have the tentative and the preliminary with BOTH of the supervisors letters. It absolutely says what I wrote above."

No it doesn't - Here's the link to the preliminary budget, and it does not say anywhere on there about "9/30 BY LAW". I have no link to the tentative budget - perhaps Iohad could find a link to it so we could read for ourselves?




"But lets move on to other things, shall we.
tgolan, regarding the medley, you may want to check with the supervisor on that one as SHE TOO was in full support of the medley pilot. In fact you can watch both she AND her husband on tape. She wanted one of the penthouses on top, remember?!!
Have a good day everyone, see you at the public hearing tomorrow?"

LOL - yes. That's very important that MJD and her husband said they were in favor OF THE PROJECT - not the PILOT. Unless they were in on the negotiations (which they weren't - nobody was - except the elected official for the Town and County, and the SD). We were told to "stay positive" and "trust those" who were working on the PILOT....that grand things were going to happen BECAUSE of that PILOT deal.....but....it's MJD's fault because she wanted a penthouse on top?

Really? Wow. I never looked at it that way. You're right Democrat Joe Morelle supporter, it IS all MJD's fault. Thanks for showing me the right way to think about it. Thanks!

10th comment from Iohad2010:


"you found no link to it because it is no longer up. it was taken down after they put up the preliminary one. If you would like a copy of the tentative one, call town hall-they have them. Again, her letter for the tentative budget stated '30 September 30, 2010 (no I dont know why she wrote 30 twice) 'Dear Residents, Today is the date set by law for the town of irondequoits tentative 2011 budget to be filed with the town clerk.'..."

But, you said that she said it in the preliminary budget too. Remember? (Comment #9 from above) You said "I have the tentative and the preliminary with BOTH of the supervisors letters. It absolutely says what I wrote above." It didn't say it in the press release that was on 9/30 and it didn't say it in the preliminary budget letter - but - you claim it does.


"Yes, I did know the exceptions to the rule,"

No you didn't. In comments 1&2 you quote the wrong dates from your old TB Manual - and you insisted to TGolan that HE was wrong, and YOU were right in your dates (comment 2)

"it says it right on the website but from reading HER letter it was apparent she did not."

Apparently, you did not either. I still haven't seen the letter where she states what you accuse her of.

"And no, Cheri, I do not blame john or stephanie, nor do I blame debra or paul. It is the supervisors responsibility to follow the rules and her attys responsibility to know them."

She did follow the laws. NYS Laws. Not your old TB manual (which was quoted from and was wrong). They were early with the tentative and preliminary budgets - that's not against the law.


"That being said, it is her first budget, mistakes happen, I am not losing sleep over it. (though you guys apparently are losing working hours over it) i pointed it out because it should have been done. End of story."

What mistakes? That she was early submitting the tentative and preliminary budgets? You pointed what out? That you were wrong with your assumptions?

"by the way, I am very flattered that you took so much time out of your busy day to denote an entire blog topic about me. You are wrong, but I am flattered."

I am wrong? Let's see - I provide links, actual links you can go to and check things out for yourselves to see that YOU are wrong......but I'm wrong? By the way - I'm glad you're flattered - that's my job - but I didn't "denote" an entire blog topic about you. I did, however, devote one to special you. Because, you're very special. *mwah* <----great big kiss to you.

"Regarding providing a link, I could but I dont have to."

Of course you don't. Why back up how wrong you are?

"I provided you with the name of the book and website. I provided you with the PAGE and SECTION and ARTICLE. You are choosing only to read partial points of it. These are online and at most public libraries in the county."

Right. So, I provide you with an actual LINK to the actual NYS LAW - and you disregard that.
NYS LAW is online, and anyone can check and see how wrong you are.

"Also, as I continue to ponder this, I am wondering if it is YOU who is the town board member, maybe past or present. Who knows. YOU seem to have a lot of info. YOU seem to get 'inside' info. You seem to know more than I do, in every aspect. In fact the more I think about it, the timing might even be right."

Wow. You are good. Great detective work. I live in Greece. I haven't lived in Irondequoit in 25 years......so......that is the logical choice. I am or was a town board member. Amazing.

"I too like a lot of things about this board but unlike you I can keep an open unbiased mind."

Of course you can! That's why you went on that article to point out (incorrectly) that the board isn't following the law, that you were wrong about.

"In fact, when the town board previously got along didnt you (and your posse) say it was like bobbleheads? I think you did."

All Democrat board? Bobbleheads. I guess we wanted a more impartial, fair, and balanced board - you know - like Joe Morelle wanted with the FEPC. It's only fair.

"So now this town board is getting along (which they should!!! We all want the best for our town!!!) and its refreshing. Different rules for different folks. We get it, dont worry.
Tata for now."

It's refreshing because all board members speak up and work together. They are pleasant with each other. They are pleasant to ALL public input speakers. They ask questions, do their due diligence, explain things. It is refreshing to finally have that for once.

By the way - got any information/proof on that $500k for St. Paul Exempts that you accused the town board of doing? Or, were you wrong about that too?

11th comment from Iohad2010:



"I guess you will have to ask the supervisor about the st paul exempt. Why dont you ask her atty as well."

I watched the meeting on 4/20 - they talk about many fields, St. Paul Exempt is one of them - not one mention of $500k that you accuse them of. Now, since the burden of proof is on the accuser, and since YOU are the accuser, YOU need to come up with something to back your accusation up - otherwise - it's just speculation, rumor, innuendo, and gossip. "He said/She said" - you're very good at it.

"Regarding the letter and this is the last time I will say it, and since you sit so close to the supervisor I am pretty sure you already know this but ask for her ORIGINAL LETTER. yes I said I have BOTH letters, one dated sept 30th for the tentative budget the other (which is the same as you have now) because it is currently up. for the preliminary budget. SHe has her letters, as does the clerk and anyone else who happened to copy the tentative budget. Nice try though and yes, you are continuing to look silly."

I'm either Paul Marasco or the Attorney for the town? I'm asking YOU for the letter - YOU are the one accusing the Supervisor of saying it. Burden of proof is on the accuser. You said that she said it in the preliminary budget too - she doesn't. Neither does the press release for 9/30.

I continue to look silly for proving you wrong with the NYS LAWS? Ok. If you say so.

"Regarding the town law-again it is stated very clearly where to find what I said and yes if you read the entire thing you will see that 'pg 38 5-5 Process and Procedural requirements
...'all actions taken by the town board in connection with the budget procedure MUST be taken at a formal mtg of such town board that is either A) a regular mtg held pursuant to a resolution adopted by the tb at their annual organizational mtg or B) at a special town board mtg called for the specific purpose. '"

Workshops are regular meetings. There's a schedule. There's recording of minutes. They are open to the public. I have no idea what your "pg 38 5-5" old TB manual says - only what YOU say it says. I do, however, provide the NYS LAWS that basically shoot down every claim you have made on here. Tentative budgets do not need a resolution, and workshops are regular meetings. NYS LAWS. Try looking at them for once.

"The supervisor DID record publicly the preliminary budget, did she not?"

Yes. On October 28th.

"And she did announce the public hearing, did she not?"

Yes. In the IPost (official newspaper) on October 28th, on her press release from 9/30, and at the meeting on October 28th.

"And I am assuming that after the public hearing they will vote on the budget, correct?"

Maybe - they have until 12/20. NYS LAWS say:
FINAL REVISION AND ADOPTION OF BUDGET - Covered in Section 109 - After the public
hearing, the town board may further change, alter and revise the preliminary budget. The preliminary budget as submitted or amended shall be finally adopted by resolution of the town board not later than December 20th.


"Whats missing? Oh yes, they didnt record the tentative budget (which IS part of the budget procedure)(and therefore SHOULD have been recorded into record at a public town board meeting or special town board meeting)"

They did record it in a public meeting (workshops) and they followed NYS LAW. You claimed they had to pass a resolution for the tentative budget - and that is wrong. Tentative budgets have to be presented TO THE BOARD at a regular meeting. Workshops are regular meetings for the Town Board.

"Lol, and good night. cough cough Jaxie ;o)
PS Not for nothing, have you asked the supervisor for her letter that was with the tentative budget dated sept 30th?
PSS And why would ANYONE make this up? Thats right, they wouldnt. Nice try."

I'm not the one accusing her of saying something in her letter. YOU are. Apparently, you cannot provide one speck of proof for any of the claims you have made. I'm not saying you made it up - I'm asking you to prove the accusations that you are flinging all over. You can't - that's ok - we're used to that with you.

Well - I had better get some sleep. I have a big Public Hearing to preside over tomorrow. lol

12th, 13th, and 14th comment from Iohad2010:





That's nice that you went to all that trouble to find this, and I do appreciate the effort.....it IS the New York State Town Manual.........for Malone, N.Y.........if you could provide the Irondequoit Town Manual, that would be relevant. Besides, what you provide is from 2006 - laws could have been different back then - who knows? Also, the sections dealing with the tentative budget seem to back up what I've been saying all along - the tb followed the rules.

From the town of Malone, NY that you provided:
"D. Presentation to and review by town board. The town clerk is required to present the tentative budget to the town board at a regular or special meeting held on or before October 5 November 10). As a practical matter, board members may already have received a copy of the budget from the supervisor as a courtesy, since many release the budget to the press at the same time it is filed with the town clerk."

Which is what the town clerk did. The workshops are regular meetings. There's a schedule, agenda, meeting minutes, and they are open to the public. Everything is recorded in those meetings via meeting minutes.
You are implying that it has to be at a board meeting where they pass resolutions - no. It has to be presented TO THE BOARD - not the public - even though the public is welcome to workshop meetings.

Whether you use your 2006 Malone, NY Manual, or the Irondequoit Manual, or the NYS LAWS - they followed the law. She might have messed up on the date the tentative budget had to be filed with the town clerk "by law" - but so did the previous Town Boards from 2006 - 2009. See below.


15th and 16th comment from Iohad2010:



Finally - a link - thank you. Technically - the tentative budget has to be in by 9/30 according to NYS Law - for counties other than Westchester and Monroe. You thought that too until you were corrected. If MJD thought that......so what? She's mistaken? You're mistaken too. ......and?

I thank you for providing a link, as it does somewhat back up what you are saying about the letter that was attached to the tentative budget - which I have not seen myself. - Mary Ellen Heyman announced her tentative budget and filed it with the Town Clerk by 9/30 in:
2006,
2007,
no press release about tentative budget in 2008,
and in 2009 she released it (illegally, according to you) on October 15th.

Were they following the rules you claimed the current town board was not following? Did Heyman and the board mess up and think that the tentative budget had to be filed with the town clerk by 9/30?

So, what does that make them? I like it when it's released early - I remember being a little ticked in 2009 because it was released later than normal, and she was too busy campaigning and checking out gas leaks at Timrod for publicity before elections instead of releasing the tentative budget.

Guess what else? Last year, Comptroller Bovenzi presented the tentative budget to the town board at their October 6th, 2009 Budget Workshop Meeting. Link.


Was that against the law too? Was it illegal because the Comptroller presented it and not the Town Clerk? They went into executive session in that meeting - is that against the law? Workshops are regular meetings. You're wrong with your insistence that it has to be at a "regular ol' town board meeting" and not a workshop.

I don't remember you having a bee in your bonnet about MEH filing the tentative budget by what she thought was NYS Law 9/30 - and I don't remember you being all upset that they presented the budget to the town board at THEIR workshop on 10/6/09 and NOT at a "regular" meeting or a special tb meeting. Must be the bats in your unbiased belfry.

Job? Pssshaw - I play tennis and have tea all day - or - I'm a miserable housewife - or - I work on the Irondequoit Town Board - or - I'm a blue collar high school graduate.

Make up your mind, will ya? Besides - your rapid fire responses to every word I write must mean that YOU don't have a job either......riiiiiiiiight?

I am envious of your logic.

17th comment from Iohad2010:


"Im not wrong about the budget process."

Yes you are. You were wrong in your dates, and you were wrong in your insistence that the tentative budget can't be presented to the town board at a regular workshop meeting. Your own Malone, NY manual proves you wrong, past budget workshops from MEH prove you wrong, the NYS LAWS prove you wrong - and you still insist you aren't.
This is how wrong you are -


"Im not wrong about the letter."

What letter? I haven't seen it. You said MJD said it in her press release....she didn't. You said MJD said it in the preliminary budget letter.....she didn't. You say it's attached to the tentative budget, you give an article that may be a quote from MJD - but there's no quotation marks around it, and it could be Linda Quinlan saying that. I'm not saying you are wrong about the letter - you were wrong about the press release and the preliminary budget letter.

"Whether MEH did something or not means nothing to me,"

Of course not - because it proves you wrong.

"I am focusing on what is happening now."

Of course you are, because you're unbiased. Focus on this: You're wrong about the budget process.

"Did you speak with the supervisor regarding her letter to the public on sept 30?"

Why? Who cares? There's nothing against the law with what she did. Did you speak to Mary Ellen Heyman regarding her tentative budget press release to the public on 9/29/2006? How about on 9/28/2007? She followed the budget process and there's nothing against the law about filing the tentative budget on or before 9/30.

"Did you ask about the St Paul Exempt property yet?"

Did you? I'm not concerned about it. I actually watched the Board meeting from
April 20, 2010 and heard them talk about a lot of fields. No amounts were mentioned for any of them.

"How about the cuts to the library budget...."

How about the increase in the 2010 budget of $158k to the libraries - did that increase go for extended hours, more materials, or equipment? Nope. $132k of it went to salaries and benefits for the staff....and the political consultant.
Everyone has to sacrifice. I think of it this way - sacrifice now to help the town's financial health get back to adequate levels, and possibly in a few years you can start saving for that new consolidated library. In my opinion, the property that the libraries sit on now could be sold to businesses and contribute to the tax base and help to build that new consolidated library for the town.

Wait a second.....NOW you're concerned about the library budgets being cut? YOU, yourself, said that the library should have cuts too - don't remember? Let me remind you.....

This article, (that you provided a link to, thank you so much) has a few comments at the bottom. Two of them are from you. The second comment FROM YOU says: "She wants to cut public safety over the library budget? Why dont they have to make cuts as well?" - and now you're complaining about cuts to the library? LMAO Good one. Yes, you should be taken seriously.


"What about the 590 property that is once again collecting debris?"

I don't know what you are referring to - but if it's a concern of yours, I do have an extra pair of gloves, a spare rake and shovel, and some contractor bags. I can leave them at the library for you if you like. Or at one of the PB meetings. Or at the Community Cupboard.

"What about code enforcement (or lack thereof) in 2010/2011"

Somebody (Mr. Goldblatt?) spoke about that during public input at the public hearing tonight. I'm sure the board will consider it, since the preliminary budget isn't the "end" of it - there is still time to make adjustments and changes, as the preliminary budget does not have to be done until
December 20th.

"How much money in grants has the town of Irondequoit received?"

Check the budget or financial reports. I'm sure they are recorded in there somewhere.

"I wonder, if this administration kept their promise of holding Mr Congel accountable, if they would have to make so many cuts in the budget?"

I wonder, since that $500k should have been collected last year, on April 7th, 2009 - I don't know why you think MJD is responsible for that. No provision written in the PILOT that MEH, SD, and COMIDA crafted for collecting that payment - that's not MJD's fault.

"We could go on, but I know since you are so deeply inbedded in what happens in Irondequoit :o) you will be reporting all of this as well on your blog."

I have. Do you have to rely on some anonymous person on the internet for information about your town? How sad is that? lol

YOU could go on.....and you forgot a couple....the skate rink and the baseball fields.

MJD spoke about the skate rink a couple of meetings ago, and the ball fields........see below:

7/27/2010 RTB:


"By the way, if you provide an address or po box I would be happy to send you a copy of the letter."

Sure! It's 400 Island Cottage Road, Greece, NY 14612 - or, you could go to a library, have one of your friends scan it, go to staples. There's a ton of things you could do to get that letter online.

" I know how you love to have accurate, uptodate and unbiased material."

I know! That's why I provide links/documents and back up what I say.

Whew! After all of that, guess what? You're STILL wrong about the budget process.

:o) - Seeing as you were a board member last year, it isn't a surprise that you don't know the process. That's why you weren't re-elected.

18th & 19th comment from Iohad2010:


"I never said the letter was in the press release,"

In comment 8 above, you said ""On Sept 30th the Irondequoit Supervisor released her budget to the press and signed it in with the clerk at 5PM. She stated in her letter 'today is the date set by law for the town of Irondequoits TENTATIVE 2011 budget to be filed with the town clerk."

"released her budget to the press" is a press release - but I was also pointing out that what you said she said was not in the press release or in the letter with the preliminary budget.

"you will put it with the pile of stuff you refuse to publish because it wont support what you have been saying."

What in the world are you talking about? What do I have a "pile of" that I refuse to publish? Specifics, please.

"For one admistration you dont want them going back and pointing out what they did or didnt do. For another you encourage it. "

Huh? Do you mean the past budgets that I said MEH did? I'm not saying they did anything against the law - lol - I was pointing out that YOU say that MJD is doing something against the law, and that MEH did the budget process that way too - so - what's against the law about it? I encourage what?

"For one administration you blame the library (lack of materials and building maintenance) on them and for the next you parrot what the previous supervisor said all along and that the library board has final say in how money is disbursed. "

I was upset that MEH cut the library budget - they had to reduce hours because of that. They couldn't fix up the libraries. They couldn't buy new materials....so then....MEH does something nice and gives them $158k MORE in the 2010 budget - and they still didn't use it for extended hours, more materials, etc. I was told, quite sternly I might add, THIS YEAR, that the library is master of their own budget - because - I was upset that tax money was going to fund the consultant. I didn't agree with it. I was told that it wasn't up to the Supervisor (or the taxpayers apparently) what they did with their budget money - it was under their control. So - I can't complain about that anymore...right? I was told it was their money to do with what they will.

But - you think the library should make cuts as well - you said it at the bottom of this article. "She wants to cut public safety over the library budget? Why dont they have to make cuts as well?"

So - which is it? Do you want them to make cuts or not?

"For one administration you ask about revenues and grants and for the next you cant be bothered."

Where? Maybe I was looking for something specific - because - I don't remember asking how many grants they received over a period of time. I don't remember being concerned about how many grants they got.....just a couple of specific ones. Revenues? I can find that out from the budget - like I always have.

"For one administration you ask about progress for the next you seem happy with status quo."

Specifics? I don't remember asking MEH for progress on anything. lol Except Medley, and since THEY were in on the PILOT - I do hold them responsible.

Also, you can't have progress without money - and since there is no money right now - I guess I can't demand progress now, can I?

"Its a wonder why people are saying you are who you are."

What the heck are you talking about? What people? Who am I? lol Debbie Essley? Paul Marasco? Zorro? Why are people wasting moments of their life talking about me? Jeebuz people - get a life. It's a blog of my opinions. Nobody is forcing you to come here. I've said over and over on this blog that I have never claimed to be fair, balanced, or unbiased on here. You don't like it? It's really simple not to come over here and read it. Honestly. If you had any self control whatsoever, you would not click on it multiple times a day. If I remember correctly - YOU are the one claiming to be unbiased and accruate. I try to be accurate, but I do make mistakes. I have never claimed to be fair, or unbiased on this blog. Ever.

"oh and ps, your comment about there not being quotation marks around the quote from the paper is laughable, Read the link that was provided, isnt that what you always say? Provide a link, well, 'jaxie' a link was provided. And now you are implying it was quinlans opinion? please."

See, when it is a "quote" - there are usually quotation marks around it. Since you imply that the supervisor was in the article saying that.....it isn't a quote from her.....although....it does say that she said it. But, Linda Quinlan wrote in a 2008 article about the preliminary budget, and she said that it had to be in "by September 30th by law" - was that a quote from MEH, or was it Quinlan saying it?


Again, I am not saying you are lying about the letter attached to the tentative budget - I am saying (for the 100th time) that I haven't seen it, so I can't verify that she did say that in the letter. I'm not saying it was Quinlan's opinion, although it could have been.....but there are no quotes around it so it isn't an actual quote from her. I believe you though...seriously.....she probably did say it, but again I haven't seen the letter.....and again.....so what if she did? She doesn't know the law? Like you and MEH? Annnnnnnd..........?

Let's be clear on this right now. I take no direction from you or the likes of you. I will write about whatever I want, whenever I want. I don't care what anyone thinks of me. I'm a douchebag. Believe me. Total asshole. Oh-so-miserable and negative and whatever else you want to call me. I tell nobody else how to run their blog, I expect the same.

If you have piles of papers that can show the town board is doing anything wrong or illegal.....by all means......start a blog and put them up - but don't demand that I do anything. Do you really think I will be more or less likely to do anything you want when you act the way you do? I'm telling you right now, the more you whine, the more I enjoy it while not doing whatever it is you want me to do.. The more you demand, the more you look like a petulant child that can't get jax to put up her rumor and innuendo on a blog. You got something on the current town board? Prove it. Otherwise, you just seem like a gossiping, nasty, can't admit you're wrong about the budget process, former town board member.

Honestly.

20th comment from Iohad2010:


"Oh Jaxie, you are a funny funny person. Now we all know that you dont really want the whole truth, you want to continue with your biased, distorted versions of the truth. I offered to send you 'the letter' and was planning on doing so but for giggles happened to google the address you gave. I am curiou,s in like a week or so would you have told people you never received the letter? How would you have played that? Since the address you provided is 400 Island Cottage Rd in Greece and it is the Greece Police Dept. You funny jokester you.
Again, you dont want the truth, you never wanted the truth. Only your slanted version of it. We are done now."


"We are done now" - Are we? lol I doubt it. You'll create another account, I'm sure of it.

I gave you the Greece Police Dept. address because.....like anyone in their right mind would give you their home address? Right.

You want me to have a letter that I care nothing about other than for you to prove you have it? I don't care that she sent out a letter that said she had to have the tentative budget in by 9/30 - MEH did it too and I didn't care then. I never made a big deal about her not knowing the dates because it's NOT AGAINST THE LAW. WHO CARES?

You can send the letter to kate, her address is in the book. If you want it on the blog that bad....for crying out loud do something yourself for a change instead of expecting me to find out for you. I don't care about the letter - YOU do. YOU find a way to get it online or get it to me, and I am NOT giving some anonymous person on the internet my home address.....you have got to be kidding me with that. lol

"I am curiou,s in like a week or so would you have told people you never received the letter? How would you have played that? "

You sure like to speculate a lot - and you seem to think about me way too much, in a slightly creepy, obsessive way.......and you want me to give you my home address?

lol

Even if I gave you a home address or p.o. box to send it to, I could still say I never received the letter. Duh. If I get the letter, I'll put it up on here. But, I am not giving you my home address and I'm not opening a p.o. box just for you.