We are going to park our vehicles on the public street in front of some random house.
Some of us are going to exit our vehicles and walk onto the public sidewalk in front of the random house.
We are going to set up grills and lawn chairs and barbecue some food. We'll have our radio on full blast. We'll get drunk and have a good ol' time. Maybe I'll even poop on the sidewalk.
Some of us will stay in our vehicles and turn the music on full blast. We'll curse and fling beer cans out our windows. Maybe we'll take our clothes off, and have sex in our vehicles.
Afterwards, we'll drive off and crash into something. Hopefully not you.
The sidewalks and streets are for everyone, right?
Stick to your guns, Town Board. It's the right thing to do. (I agree with your proposal.)
Here's a link to the Proposed Town Resolution.
Here's the resolution: Proposed Boats and Boating Resolution
Here's the link to the Town Board Meeting from 4-17-2012
Here's the link to the Irondequoit Bay Harbor Management Plan.
Here's the link to NYS Navigation Laws.
Here's the link to Federal Navigation Regulations.
Here's the link to Federal Navigation Regulations by subject.
Finally, NYS Laws, Boating Safety Education (right now, NYS law says only those under 18 have to take a Boating Safety Course before they pilot a boat. Any moron over 18 can drive a boat WITHOUT having to take a safety course.)
Here are some helpful links to other Town/City Boating Codes:
Town of Greece Boating Code
"§ 65-11. Regulations and prohibitions; enforcement. A. No vessel shall be operated in Lake Ontario contiguous to the Town of Greece within 200 feet of the shore, a dock, pier, raft, floating object or an anchored or moored vessel at a speed exceeding five miles per hour, unless such vessel is being operated near such shore, dock, floating object, pier, raft or anchored vessel for the purpose of enabling a person engaged in water skiing to take off or land."
Town of Webster Vessels Code for Irondequoit Bay.
"§ 216-4. Restrictions on operation. A. Every vessel shall be operated in a careful and prudent manner, in such a way as not to unreasonably interfere with or endanger any other vessel or person, but in no event shall a vessel be operated at a speed exceeding 25 miles per hour unless such vessel is being operated for the purpose of enabling a person engaged in waterskiing to be towed, in which case no such vessel shall be operated at a speed exceeding 35 miles per hour. B. No vessel shall be operated within 200 feet (NYS Navigation Law updated to 300 ft) of the shore, a dock, pier, raft or float or an anchored or moored vessel in a manner or at a speed that causes a wake that unreasonably interferes with or endangers such dock, pier, raft or float or an anchored or moored vessel, but in no event at a speed exceeding five miles per hour, unless for the purpose of enabling a person engaged in waterskiing to take off or land."
City of Rochester Boating Code for water adjacent to City Parks - which doesn't technically regulate speed to a number or anything - but there's a lot of rules. I will try to find anything relating to speed later. They pretty much "privatize" the water adjacent to the Park with this part:
"§ 79-7. Boating.
A. No person shall operate, sail, row or paddle a boat, raft or canoe in or adjacent to park property, except in areas designated by the Commissioner for such use, and then only in strict conformance with all applicable laws, ordinances, rules or regulations."
You are not allowed to operate any vessel "IN or ADJACENT TO park property, except in designated areas."
No person shall commit any of the following acts within a park, except authorized employees or persons with written permission from the Commissioner:
Anchor or tether any watercraft within the boundaries of any park, except at sites specifically designated as docking facilities.
Possess or consume any alcoholic beverage.
Looks like a precedent has already been set for a municipality to "privatize public waters".
Interestingly, chapter § 79-9. deals with fishing and hunting - and please, don't molest the wildlife!
There is no excuse for ignorance now. You have the responsibility to educate yourselves of the rules....and while you're whining about the Nanny Government or the Town Board taking away your rights and government intrusion......then expect them to "'learn ya the rules cuz it's their job"....I laugh. I laugh out loud.
INFORMATION BOATERS ARE CIRCULATING:
Totally inaccurate, and in some instances wrong petition. 947 people signed an inaccurate and wrong petition. Link.
Inaccurate petition with my answers in red:
Totally inaccurate picture and wrong information on this facebook page. Link.
Here's the picture they have on there with their inaccurate lines drawn on:
Here's an accurate representation from YNN: Link.
Here's my picture with lines on it:
FIRST TWO COMMENTS:
Hi Monroe Piping! :)
FACEBOOK COMMENTS FROM BOATERS:
LMAO! Hurry up and look at this before they close it or delete it.
Genesee River Boaters Public Facebook Page.
And boaters wonder why they're stereotyped and the few bad apples make them all look bad? At least there are a couple of rational ones on there. Eh - don't worry about it being deleted or closed....I copied it and screen shot it and blocked out the names....so it's here for reference.
BOATERS SAY IT'S MARGE'S FAULT:
It's funny what a difference two years makes. Back in 2010, on Marge's Facebook Page Notes Section, they "police themselves" by putting up some explanations and "helpful solutions", another note in 2010 about not allowing boats to enter from the Lake, and yet another note in May 2011 saying they would try out allowing boats again...but because of the constant issues and problems, had to stop allowing it in July. They tried.
Best part about it is some of the comments from current "pro boaters" back then - seems a lot of them sympathized and some even said that the property owners own the beach to the water line.
How times have changed, eh?
Here's the pages and comments: Sea Breeze Beach Neighborhood Marge's FB Comments FYI No North Entry at Marge's FB Page Comments Coming to Marge's by Boat 2011 FB Page Comments
BOATERS HAVE MOVED ON FROM THE WATER AND NOW WANT THE BEACH:
THEY THINK IT'S A FEDERALLY PROTECTED WETLAND:
Here's the link to the NYSDEC Wetlands Program.
It is NOT a Federally Protected Wetland. The bulldozer can be there. If it was a Federally Protected Wetland, there would be more rules and regulations for that beach, and restricted public access to the beach. (The green on the map is the protected wetland in the area. The red star is the area for the proposed resolution.)
Here's a Federal Wetlands Map Link.:
NYSDEC Wetlands Map.
BOATERS SAY THE RESIDENTS THERE DON'T OWN THE BEACH:
Here's one page of the Deed to one of the properties along that strip of the Lake by the pier - it states that they own to the waterline. There should be no question of who owns the beach in front of the homes. (Names and some addresses are blocked out. I got the information from the Monroe County Property Info website.)
BOATERS DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS PAY TAXES ON THE BEACH PRIVATE PROPERTY:
This link will take you to Monroe County's 2012 Tax Map for Irondequoit.
Here is the area that the pro-boaters claim the homeowners aren't paying taxes on, even though the map shows the beach is included in their tax map.
Here is a link to the Irondequoit Tentative 2012 Assessment Roll.
Here is a link to Monroe County's Website where, on the right hand side, you can click on the "view/pay taxes online" link and be directed to the property tax portal. You can enter an address and look up the history on the property, (the land value, the assessment, the depth of the property etc.) and see if they are paying taxes on their private beach.
Unless someone has a link to a current tax map that shows them not paying taxes on their private beach, I am going to assume that they are paying property taxes for their private beach because of the links I just visited.
BOATERS STATE THAT THEY DON'T PAY TAXES ON THE BEACH:
MONROE COUNTY PUT UP THE FENCE AND THE SIGN SAYING IT IS PRIVATE:
MAX SCHULTE D&C Staff Photographer
LETTER TO EDITOR 5/6 Link to D&C
FACEBOOK COMMENTS FROM Here.
FACEBOOK COMMENTS FROM here.
BOATERS THINK RESIDENTS ARE PHOTOSHOPPING PICTURES TO GIVE TO THE D&C:
I blew up the picture, and can clearly see that it is not a man (as the commenter claimed) to the right of the umbrella and that the woman's head is tilted to the right, probably on her cell phone (the commenter said that the man's head was cut off and boats added.)
But, never mind the woman on her cell phone.....what grabbed my attention, was the person at the bottom right of the picture, with their ghostly white ass hanging out. Lovely.
FINALLY, BOATERS MAKE GOOD POINT ABOUT RESOLUTION - SEEMS TO THINK TOWN IS REGULATING SPEED ALL ALONG LAKE ONTARIO SHORELINE FOR IRONDEQUOIT BORDER 1,500 FT. FROM SHORE - STILL NO PROOF THAT RESIDENTS AREN'T BEING TAXED ON PROPERTY:
WHY I DON'T THINK THEY ARE REGULATING SPEED ON LAKE ONTARIO ALL ALONG SHORELINE IN IRONDEQUOIT - WAITING ON CLARIFICATION FROM THE TOWN:
Still don't have a link to those tax maps, eh? Here's my explanation of why I think they aren't regulating the speed limit to 25 mph all along the Lake Ontario shoreline.
on the D&C website April 13th states: "Boyan added that there have been some misunderstandings about the proposed changes, which will not include speed limit amendments." - That leads me to believe there is no amendment to the speed limit on the Lake.
I have an e-mail in to the Town, and I am waiting for their response to my question.
Got an answer this morning (5/15) from the Supervisor herself:
If I am understanding the e-mail correctly:
- The Town IS regulating the speed on Lake Ontario within 1,500 feet from shore along the contiguous border of Irondequoit to 25 mph. They are NOT regulating the speed to 5 mph within 300 feet of shore for the entire shoreline of Lake Ontario in Irondequoit - only in "the zone".
- The Town is making "the zone" on Lake Ontario 300 feet from shore from the pier to Lake Bluff (instead of 450 feet) that will regulate tethering, mooring, anchoring, or drifting and speed to 5 mph.
- The Town is taking out 91-4 Part C (2) of the proposed resolution - nobody (not even residents and their guests) will be allowed to tether in "the zone".
I suppose that if they discuss this at tonight's meeting - it might be clarified for everyone.
Update: Watching the TB meeting and MJD said they would discuss, amend, and probably vote on the Boating Resolution at the Special Town Board Workshop Meeting on Monday, May 21st.
According to an article on 13Wham:
"Irondequoit Town Supervisor Mary Joyce D'Aurizio said she met with another board member and about 40 residents to come up with ideas and compromises about the boating issue.
She said she expects the issue will be discussed at Tuesday night's board meeting. D'Aurizio anticipates an amendment to the proposal, which could lead to another round of public hearings before the town takes any action."
Here's the article:
YNN. The amended proposal should be discussed and voted on at the Special Town Board Workshop Meeting on