There's some inconsistencies.
I know what you're going to say...."Of COURSE there's going to be inconsistencies!!! You big dummy!!!! You, and your small group of jihadists have an agenda!!!! Kings Park was bigger, better, and beautiful!!! Pinegrove needs MILLIONS in repairs!!!! You're all Republicans out to get us!!!"
(One looney-tune on the D&C article forum is claiming "we" are all out to attack the Catholic Church and he's going to spend all his money on helping MEH get re-elected and to defend the Church against our "jihad".....oooookaaaaayyyyyy. I'm not kidding, read for yourself....)
Or, look for yourself:
(The reply to "sam32" was one of the funniest ones I have ever read.)
Yeah, yeah....it's a "small group of haters out to get you".
We "don't want you to be successful". We "hate seniors".
"We" know, we've heard it a million times already.
Never mind the vote results, and just stick to that rhetoric, ok? Really. It makes you so much more credible when you regurgitate that stuff over and over. And, it's not divisive at all. No, really, not at all. ;) ;)
Here is the blog I did back in January on the King$ Pork Lease Proposal from 2007. The lease proposal that the Town had on the Town Website at the time did not include some dollar figures about the CAM, and the true price, so that was added to the documents (in red) I put on the blog. You can compare the two and see. Blog docs. vs Town Board Special Meeting Minutes 9-4-07. (Lease Proposal is page 7 on the Town pdf. - and notice it is called "Kings Park Feasibility Discussion", but doesn't have nearly the same information that Labella has for Pinegrove's "Feasibility Study".) For reference, here is the lease proposal for just the senior center that was unanimously approved at the 2008 November TBM.
Ok, now, on to the goodies.
Here is a page from the King$ Pork Lease Proposal from 2007:
(The above image was from the blog I did in Jan....the town STB minutes do not include 2b - I assume it had something to do with the proposed Gym/Pool/P.A.C expansion or something.)
This was the proposal for the Library consolidation & Community Center. Significantly more square footage and people than the Pinegrove building, right?
The square footage discussed for the proposed lease in 2007 was 59,612 in buildings B & C for the Libraries and Community Center.
In '1' of the above document, King$ Pork landlords were going to install a rooftop HVAC (at their cost supposedly), "at the same capacity as currently exists."
Mr. Keen, Smart resident points out:
"'same capacity' as for old office use?---didn't meh just parade engineers in front of the cameras as they explained that "Triggers" of change of use and adding any construction will trigger new codes. They didn't mention the code but one pertains to "make up air" a phrase they did use. Public assembly needs much more make up air than office use. BUT MEH and her engineers from LaBella and Monroe Piping failed to inform the public of the need to upgrade the HVAC units at Pork.
GUESS WHAT????? A resident wrote the Board and told them of the need for upgraded units. Guess what. It sure looks like the new HVAC Queen Hyman once again lied to residents. Never telling them of that added cost.
IN Fact again: The Senior Center Proposal at Pork Park never indicated any need for upgraded HVAC systems to support the change of use from Office to PUblic Assembly. Why didn't LaBella Engineers and Monroe Piping tell the residents of Irondequoit they needed to upgrade systems? How much would that have cost once they got in there? WHy did they leave that out? Maybe it isn't necessary at Pork Park but it sure seems it would be."
Ahhhh.....very good points, sir.
In '2a' - Town has use of the parking area east, north, and west of buildings B & C.....as long as it did not exceed "4 spaces per 1,000 usable square feet."
Mr. Keen, Smart resident points out:
"Parking: note the very low parking allowance at Pork Park. 4 per 1000 sf. Not even close to the needs that would be "TRIGGERED" (there's that damn word again) by change of use to Public Assembly. The Senior project allowed for about 85 parking spaces. Hell---Pinegrove needs over 150 according to LaBella. ---pinegrove is only 13,335 sf and Pork Park was over 20,000 sf. 50% bigger."
Labella's report is called "Pinegrove Property Condition Report" - for reference.
Recap:
King$ Pork proposal for Libraries & Com. Center in 2007 was for 59,612 sq. ft.
59 x 4.4 (spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. of usable (leased) space.) = 259 spaces.
King$ Pork proposal for just Senior Center in 2008 was for 20,185 sq. ft.
20 x 4.4 (spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. of usable (leased) space.) = 88 spaces.
Pinegrove building is 13,335 sq. ft.
13 x 4.4 (spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. of usable (OWNED) space = 57 spaces.
I'm thinking Pinegrove's parking lot has plenty of space for 57 parking spots? Yes?
Labella is suggesting we need 134-167 spaces for Pinegrove based on a projected facility occupancy of between 400 – 500 people? How can Labella project parking spaces based on maximum occupancy at Pinegrove, and King$ Pork is based on square footage of usable space?
From Labella's report:
"Town Code 235-79: Off street parking requirement –
For Public Assembly use: Provide 1 parking space
per 3 seats at maximum capacity:"
Here is a link to the Town Code.
Go to chapter 235 - zoning - Article XIV Off Street Parking And Loading (§ 235-77 - § 235-79)- Specific Off Street Parking Requirements (§ 235-79).
They list:
Public assembly - Same as auditoriums. Auditoriums - 1 for every 3 seats occupied at maximum capacity.
How come King$ Pork gets 4.4 spaces per 1,000 usable sf. AND don't have to follow the Town Code for "Public Assembly"? Pinegrove does with Labella's report. Isn't a senior center at King$ Pork "Public Assembly"?!?!
The HVAC at King$ Pork had no "triggers". They were just going to install a rooftop HVAC at the same capacity that has existed (for office space) and not worry about "make up air" for Public Assembly there.........but Labella is suggesting that at Pinegrove we do need all of that.
I'm having a hard time understanding why an old building like King$ Pork didn't have the same scrutiny applied to it as the old building at Pinegrove.
Does anyone out there have a clue?
Does it start and end with an "a" and have "gend" in between?
