It seems that CERTAIN people of the Democrat persuasion, have a love/hate relationship going on within their own heads over the FEPC.
It has to do with playing politics, what they think is good for the town, and the Fair Election Practices Committee.
Playing politics - Aldersley and Perticone (and MJD) complain that there is too much partisanship and political bickering in town, and it's not good for the town. But then, Aldersley (who didn't even sign the fair election practices committee's pledge to adhere to such high standards) filed a complaint against Moore and Nottell.......for the report card ads that Barone puts in the I-Post every year.
Funny, I don't remember anyone complaining when Barone put in ads against Schantz, Dzus and Turner, or MEH, Bello, & Evans.
Why didn't MEH, Bello, & Evans have to repudiate Barone's ads against Schantz? Why didn't Aldersley and Perticone denounce the attack ads that Barone had against Dzus? Why didn't MJD say "Hold on here Irondequoit - I repudiate the false ads against MEH, Evans, and Bello!" when Barone had the report cards on them in 2009?
So - why do Moore and Nottell have to do that?
Weren't all the Democrats supposed to boycott the FEPC because Joe Morelle said they were unfair, inconsistent, unorganized, and not bi-partisan? But now, the FEPC is magnificent in their interpretation of an ad that the two Republican candidates had NOTHING to do with?
If that isn't using the FEPC as a tool for playing politics just before Election Day.......I don't know what is. Hence the "love/hate" relationship that the Dems have with the FEPC.
Here is the article that appeared on the D&C website today.
Snippet from the article dealing with the ruling in Irondequoit:
"In the Irondequoit Town Board race, Democratic candidates Stephanie Aldersley and John Perticone complained about an advertisement in the Irondequoit Post paid for by the group Irondequoit Citizens for better Government. Aldersley and Perticone are running against Republicans Robert E. Moore and Robert J. Nottell.
The ad claimed, among other things, that Aldersley and Perticone opposed the right to vote, voted to give away tax dollars to the Sea Breeze Water Authority, voted to close the Irondequoit Senior Center, violated the open meetings law, and voted to spend tax money in a secret meeting.
The committee found that the ad violated the Fair Campaign Pledge because the pledge calls on candidates to "publically repudiate any individual or group whose activities on my campaign's behalf (directly or indirectly) violate this campaign pledge."
The committee said the ad also violates the pledge, which prohibits the use of quotations or images out of context to misrepresent the other candidates' message."
I don't believe that Barone's ad is an "activity on" Moore and Nottell's "campaign behalf". Nowhere in any of the ads does it say to "vote for" Moore and Nottell - it just complains about the job that Aldersley and Perticone have done.
Let's look at the report cards that were in this week's I-Post from Barone:
Let's look at the claims in the ad and compare it to what really happened.
In the "Their Record" ad about Aldersley & Perticone:
Aldersley opposed the right of Town Residents to vote for a choice of candidates.
I wouldn't have used the word "opposed", I would have used the word "denied". She did, as did Perticone and MJD, deny the residents of a choice in the election by working a deal with party leaders to run unopposed on a unified slate. Aldersley's actions towards the cross endorsement does not necessarily mean she opposed the right of residents to have a choice - her actions denied the residents a choice. I think denying them a choice is worse than just opposing it. I oppose alcohol - but I don't deny anyone the choice of drinking it.
Voted to violate NY State Open Meetings Law - Held a meeting closed to the public and voted/discussed/spent public moneys in violation of law based on information from Robert Freeman , Director of NY State official Committee on Open Government.
They did vote to go into executive session after Aldersley made the motion to approve the inter fund transfers (which included cash to SBWD) at the 12/21/2010 meeting, it was unanimously approved, and right after that they went into executive session.
You can see that from the meeting minutes here on page 8. After that resolution was unanimously approved - they went into executive session to discuss "concerns of real estate transactions and potential litigation."
You can also see from the December 21, 2010 TB Meeting video, that at the 2:08:10 mark of the video, the resolution is announced to authorize fund loans to cover financial obligations of stated funds in the attachment that the board had in front of them (the attachment is also in the above link to the meeting minutes) - they don't mention that SBWD is one of the funds, and the loan amount they need is $110,000 - but Aldersley makes the motion, Essley seconds it - Annie talks about the loans - there is a small amount of discussion, MJD says "We will all get through this together" - and they all vote "Aye" to approve the fund transfers.
Then, at the 2:10 mark of the video they vote to go into executive session to discuss "real estate transactions and potential litigation" (which may be against the open meetings law, I have to check).......but the point is - they voted on the loan transfers BEFORE the executive session - not during the executive session.
I don't know what was discussed in the executive session at that meeting, but the board voted to spend public money on inter fund transfers BEFORE the executive session.....so I don't know how they violated the Open Meetings Law on that one.
Voted to give away tax money - money given to a separate corporation with no interest and no obligation/schedule to pay it back.
According to those meeting minutes, they all did - so that is a true statement.
Voted for $18,000/mo. rent/close senior center and pay $250,000 to improve landlord property - 1,950 residents signed petition and 5,000 residents voted and Aldersley's vote was overturned.
This is all true. Aldersley did vote to move the senior center to Kings Park which would have cost $18,000 a month and they were going to spend $250,000 to improve the landlord's property - this was all voted on and is documented on this blog and in their meeting minutes - and all those residents did sign the petition to FORCE the town board FOR THE RIGHT to vote on the issue (boy, she really likes to deny residents the chance to vote or have choices, doesn't she?) and their vote was overturned by permissive referendum.
Ignored the Town's Master Plan regarding proposed rezoning Titus Ave residential area to Commercial apartments and allowed the developer a 30 minute special hearing without notice to or allowing Town residents to speak.
True again. The Master Plan does say that area is to remain R1 residential, and the Town Code states that anything less that 5 acres of net buildable area can't be approved for R7 zoning. Aldersley has not brought up that point (Marasco did) about the "less than 5 acres" - and she approved of the Planning Board deciding on whether a rezoning can be done. She sat at the workshop where the developer was able to speak for 30 minutes, and the residents are not allowed to speak at workshops - so she did allow it.
Failed to properly oversee town finances - NY State Comptrollers audit showed improper transfers of town moneys in the hundreds of thousands of dollars
This is true also. The audit covered Aldersley's and Perticone's time on the board, and the illegal activities occurred while they were on the board. The Audit shows it quite clearly.
False public statements - "We can't expand the Town's Senior Center since we only own a few feet around the building".
Um, Totally true. But, she actually said, "We don't own any more than just the building and five feet of land around it." In reference to expanding, or getting more parking. Which then that statement by her was proven totally false by the deed to the property....you can read about that here, and see the deed.
"We only discussed the loan/transfer to SBWD in (secret) Executive Session."
I believe this was stated by Aldersley during a board meeting on October 18th, 2011. At the 38:37 mark of the video she asks for some time to reply to some of the comments made during public input....one of which was the SBWD funds. At the 38:57 mark she speaks about how they went into executive session and discussed ONLY the SBWD finances, but this was dealing with the $88,000 that happened in September 2011 - she said "Certainly in the Executive Session prior to forwarding $88,000 to the water authority budget, we discussed ONLY the water authority. No other funds were discussed during that meeting. So the amount of funds that the decision was made in that meeting (*executive session*) was only the water authority budget."
The "decision was made in that meeting" - to transfer that money to the SBWD budget - which, according to the Committee on Open Government says: they can't have a formal vote during executive session to transfer those funds. They discussed it during executive session, they all decided to transfer the money (which I suppose you could spin to say it was a formal vote)....but then they voted on the resolution in front of the public after executive session to appropriate those funds. MJD even says after executive session that they went into it to discuss the financial situation of a "certain corporation" - you can view the video of the September 8th, 2011 TBM where they unanimously approve the transfer of the funds to the SBWD, by a formal vote in front of the public.
Barone ad claims about Perticone:
The same as Aldersley's except for:
In Favor of giving special treatment to union contractors on bids for town construction projects.
This is true. He brought the Apprenticeship Law to the Board for a resolution to approve the change in Town Law - to mandate that only shops with apprenticeship programs in place are able to bid on town projects. You can read all about that on this blog under "apprenticeship" label. It would have discriminated against local business owners who have done work for the town in the past, but cannot enroll his company in the apprenticeship program because NYS does not offer one for his line of work - and he had done numerous jobs in town in the past. Perticone lobbied for it, and when MEH wanted to postpone the vote to gather more information, Perticone said he had all the information he needed and didn't need more time. Fact.
Investigated by Federal Government for violations of Federal Rules for spending the union members' money in the tens of thousands of dollars when Perticone was the business agent for the union.
This is true as well. Read the USDOL's report. Three years ago he was investigated for his shoddy record keeping, and violations.
So, I'm not sure how the ads that Barone paid for with his Citizens For Better Government 501c thingy has ANYTHING at all to do with Moore and Nottell, who do not belong to the CFBG group as far as I know, and had no knowledge of Barone's intentions to put those in the paper. Also, nowhere in the ads does it say to vote for Moore and Nottell - just that there is a choice with them on the Republican line and no choices for Supervisor, and Judge. Confusing to me also is that NOW the FEPC is worthy of praise on the IDC website, when their party chairman consistently calls for a boycott of the FEPC - did they all of a sudden become fair, consistent, and bi-partisan?
Here's another thing I'm confused about - Stephanie Aldersley paying for an ad...when she has not filed anything with the NYSBOE for campaign finance since 2009?
Here's the ad:
Here's a good one:
It's Carbone's Ad - but at the bottom is a glowing endorsement from MJD, which means she isn't endorsing Vinnie - who carried petitions for her cross endorsement unified slate - but is now playing politics by endorsing his opponent.
Here is Moore and Nottell's ad - nothing personal against anyone and just plainly stating what they stand for.
19 comments:
OMG - 4 years ago when Aldersley and Perticone were running for Town Board the Citizens for Better Gov. was running ads slamming their opponents constantly. Perticone and Aldersley sure didn't repudiate anything.
Now 4 years later they go to the Fair election committee and get a ruling against Moore and Nottell who both have nothing to do with the ads.
Go figure!
The fair election committee. You know the committee that didn't rule against the Ament ad that MJD did during the primary. http://foilsforirondequoit.blogspot.com/search?q=MJD+Ament+
Not only did it distort images it said that Ament was attacking Irondequoit kids and was out to hurt our schools.
The Fair election committee didn't rule on it. But an ad by an outside group (not the candidate's) that is telling facts gets a ruling. Ok...
That mailer was one of the most negative, disgusting pieces I've ever seen. The Town/School Districts received a bunch of negative TV and radio spots because of it. All at the hands of the people (MJD-Aldersley and Perticone) that want everything to be positive in town. Positive if it's good for them. Negative if it's good for them. Win-Win! Hypocrisy!
Why didn't Stephanie even sign the pledge?
Good job Jax, going through the ads and stating the facts. Boy, there sure is a whole bunch of stuff from the last 4 years.
2 years ago MJD thought this stuff mattered. 2 years later it doesn't!
Flip-Flop!
Love/Hate!
Oh brother...
Typical Morelle - tells to FEPC to screw when he can't manipulate them and now throws a Hail Mary Pass that somehow is completed.
Now we hear too that Mary Joyce really didn't endorse Carbone?
Anonymous -
I find it hard to believe that Dr. Carbone would lie about an endorsement from the Town Supervisor.
Coincidentally, the announcement from Morelle is dated yesterday, probably because I pointed it out on the blog - when the ad has been in the paper since Wednesday - all of a sudden on a Sunday night he finds out that Carbone had an endorsement from MJD on there? And she knew nothing about it? I bet that excuse is in the file with the imaginary bill that was in the assembly that would have an impact on Medley Center (did not exist even though she said that at a meeting.)
I think she did endorse him, and then decided to play dumb about it when Morelle (or one of his staff) called her on it after reading about it on the blog.
You mean to tell me that Morelle and MJD didn't know about that ad the moment it came out? MJD did not denounce the ad publicly - so obviously she agreed with it, right? I mean, it's been out for 5 days before Morelle sent out his statement about it.
Or, was he saving it for a last ditch effort at playing politics before the election?
Love the hypocrites....just love 'em to death.
Cheri -
Did you see the article where she says that everything in the ad is untrue?
lol Another lie. Gee, surprising.
It's so funny watching them scramble to use every last minute thing they can to.....play politics....which is what they claim they don't want to do.
Amazing.
I also find it hard to believe Carbone would run that ad without permission.
I haven't liked the campaign Carbone has run but I still don't think he would do that.
Mary Joyce hasn't distinguished herself this campaign season either.
If anything,I'd suggest she may be trying to have her cake and eat it too.
Well I heard that MJD was at the Fair Election Committee testifying for her running buddies Aldersley and Perticone.
This whole repudiating thingy I really find hilarious.
Jax, I did see that article that states that everything in the ad is untrue. Everybody has a right to have their own opinion about Barone but the majority of the ad is the total TRUTH!
Jax, you've outlined all of the truth in the ads. There is only one item in the ad that we think could be false.
How can MJD, Aldersley and Perticone stand up in front of this Fair Election Bogus Committee and state that it's all lies? They did all of those things and there is proof.
Now this Carbone endorsement saga. So would Carbone put MJD picture and quote up without her permission? Why hasn't she gone to the fair election committee yet? The Post came out last Wed. Hmmmmm
Elections really bring out the best in our politician's don't they???
Anonymous -
Good points!
"Mary Joyce hasn't distinguished herself this campaign season either."
She didn't have to, thanks to the cross endorsement.
Cheri -
I'm just laughing about it. A lot.
What else can ya do?
For people who constantly complain about too much partisan politics in town....they sure play the game pretty well, don't they?
I can't even get mad about it because it is so desperately funny.
Does anyone know who was on this "Fair" Election Committee panel and how each one of them voted in this particular instance?
I have no idea - but I bet Joe knows.
I will try to find out for you.
The only time we know who exactly is at the "hearing" to rule on the charges is when it goes against the Dems because Joe is whining to every media outlet that he can about how unfair and partisan and unorganized and inconsistent the FEPC is.
Last month they were unfair - this month they are fair.
lol
Good old Joe the most bi-partisan politician there is.
I'm surprised my keyboard let me write that.
Now I'm going to have to repudiate! haha
I denounce you repudiating your keyboard!
....and Michael Jackson's doctor, the Kardashians, liver and onions, O.J. Simpson, and those feather things that girls are putting in their hair nowadays!
Tom -
I am working on getting that information for you - but in the meantime, the LWV has a link to the FEPC site, and the hearing procedures: Link.
There is a list of members:
The Fair Election Practices Committee members are in alphabetical order:
Jim Morris (chair),
Ralph Esposito, Lois Giess, Channing Philbrick and Kay Wallace.
Alternates shall be John
Curran, Thomas Frey, Tracey Logel, Jim Peters, Sue Roberts and Jim Turner.
Alternates will
serve in the event one of the primary committee members cannot attend a particular hearing.
Tom -
The list of people who were at the FEPC hearing, and their political affiliation are as follows:
Ralph Esposito - Republican
Channing Philbrick - Republican
Louis Geiss - Democrat
Kay Wallace - Democrat
Non voting - Chair - Jim Morris.
Not sure on how each one voted, but I'll try to find that out too.
I'm hearing it was unanimous - but don't quote me on it.
Gee, I wish someone would have filed a complaint against me. That would have given me some free publicity.
Seriously, I wish everyone would stop the political squabbling and just tell the truth and own up to mistakes.
Thank you for continuing to dig into this, Jax - you rock!
Tom -
You are so very welcome!
I can't prove this - but again, from my reliable source....I heard that one of the Republicans at the FEPC went to high school with Barone and....well....dislikes him immensely would be a good way to put it. I won't say his name, but it rhymes with Dorito.
I also heard that the hearing, and the opinion of some got so....let's say "intense"....that one of the Democrat ladies was trying to slow down the "intensity" of the proceeding and look at things more...let's say "sensibly".
Greg -
I'm sorry that you didn't have more support from your County Party. Money runs politics, and if you don't have the support from the party coffers - it is difficult to compete.
I will say that I do like you and I like that you consistently have, and do show up to TB meetings and participate in your local Government. I think it's important and I appreciate that you respectfully state your opinions at the meetings. I hope you continue to do so.
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