It seems that MJD, Aldersley, & Perticone want everyone else to be more positive and respectful of others - but exempt themselves from the "fair campaign" pledge that Perticone and Mary Joyce D'Aurizio signed recently with the League of Women Voters.
Ament is out to ATTACK KIDS? Will he really do anything to grab headlines? Did he LIE about "our children"? Is he really PLAYING POLITICS WITH OUR CHILDREN?!?! FEAR HIM IRONDEQUOIT!!!!! FEAR HIIIMMMMMMM!
It's about people, not politics! Obviously!
Wow, what a joke of a mailer. Hope he contacts the League of Women Voters to advise them of this mailer. How positively political and negative this mailer is. I would expect this from the Dems......and now MJD is a part of that. How simply sad and bad that is.
UPDATE 12:30 am 9/13/11:
Moore and Nottel have a simple card that states the facts of who the Republicans are and who the Democrats are. Nothing mean, negative, or nasty.....very nice.
Here are some mailers from MJD, Aldersley, & Perticone - they even recycled the old "It's not magic - bunny in a magic hat" theme from 2009:Mailers MJD, Aldersley Perticone
DEMOCRATS WHO CARRIED PETITIONS:
Somebody sent me an "unofficial" list of the Democrats who carried petitions for MJD, Aldersley, & Perticone. They were from notes that were in pencil when they looked at the petitions, so some of the names may be spelled wrong. Here is the list:
John Polit
Seth Tebman (Allwood)
Dave Murphy (Kennedy)
James Rosse (Lakeshore, Eaton Rd)
Erin Burdick (Falstaff)
Vince Esprosels ( Bayview)
Adam Bello
F Nasso (Vayo, Eastview)
Chris Jensen Cedargrove
Sue Rodgers (Huntington Hills)
Mary Ellen Jones
Ed O'Brien Winona
John Perticone
Sally Steinwach
James Romeo
Aldersley
Stefan Flemming
Dave Seely
Colorabuoro
Seymour Crum
55 comments:
The rule in Irondequoit must be - Do as I say, not as I do.
How does a dirty political mailer keep things positive in Irondequoit?
How is this positive for the school district?
Mary Joyce had such a positive campaign 2 years ago against Heyman. Why would she let Morelle talk her into such a negative mailer for this campaign?
Didn't Aldersley, Perticone and D'Aurizio say the reason for the cross endorsement was because it was "for the good of the town?"
So all of this negative publicity from the mailer and the news coverage that is now taking place because of the mailer, is for the good of the town?????
Great publicity for Irondequoit once again.
Thanks for keeping it positive and showing us the meaning of hypocrisy.
Isn't that Perticone's address in the top left of the nasty mailer?
Figures. I wonder if his brudders helped him? lol
I am surprised the LVW ruled that it wasn't a violation - I don't think it was a "positive, issues-oriented" mailer. It was accurate (he did write a guest essay, and did speak at public input about heroin at I.H.S.) - but it was not quite honest.....he is not out to "attack children", and he was not using the kids to further his "run for Supervisor" - so how can you use that statement on a political mailer for the Town Supervisor of Irondequoit?
I think saying that he was "attacking kids" was a personal attack on Ament, and his character.
MJD said in the video that her name was on the mailer, but she did not write it.....well....how the hell does that make any difference?!?! She is supposed to approve all materials pertaining to her campaign - apparently she approved of this - doesn't matter if she wrote it or not. Did she write the others? No - so why would she try to slither her way out of accepting responsibility for this mailer? Scary.
Another pledge for LVW is:
I will not use or permit the use of any campaign material or advertisement, which uses
quotations or images taken out of context and to misrepresent the other candidate or other
candidate’s message.
They quoted him out of context, and used an unflattering image out of context, and kinda misrepresented his message - he has not (as far as I've read) mentioned heroin at I.H.S. in his campaign for Supervisor, or in any of the articles about the primary.
As far as I can see, they violated the first 4 bullets on the pledge.
And yeah.....the stunning hypocrisy in claiming Ament is ruining the image of Irondequoit by speaking out at public input about heroin in schools.....compared to sending out thousands of mailers about it and having it on a few media outlets.....now, thanks to that mailer, it is all over Monroe County. lmao Unbelievable.
Thanks for the list of the twenty Dem petition carriers.
The mailer in question is beneath everybody.
Looking like Morelle made a bad deal.
The Mailer is nothing more than reflection of the character of those who produced, approved and supported it. It demonstrates that nothing is more important to aldersly peritcone and durizio than their success in controlling the spending of town tax dollars on their friends.
first reaction is morelle is the winner. About 40% of the good ole boys republican party voted for far left dems. Republicans can't win in november with 40% of their own party in love with dems. very telling outcome.
What is a "far left" dem in town politics? Will the town board members ever vote on abortion? gun control? death penalty? Dont all town board members republican or democrat want good things for this town? Maybe when this town gets over its political paranoia good things will finally start happening here too.
I am pretty sure Morelle wasn't counting on having to run his candidates in a Republican primary. Then he loses. He looks pretty foolish in my book.
Perticone/aldersley fought for the Apprentice Program, a far left program that increases project costs by over 25%. It would be interesting to hear why increasing project costs is in the best interest of the community. The "left" has issues other than guns. Irondequoit is the highest (or close) taxed town in the country (based on percentage of AV) and the "left" wanted one more government program that would guarantee increased costs to taxpayers. It was no small issue as it was anti-town. It is a policy difference. Some people believe spending should not be increased by arbitrary laws and others believe to the contrary.
So reducing spending in their budgets means nothing? Reducing manpower means nothing. You are talking about 1 program, 1 program that never came to a vote by the way. How many programs have republican supervisors and town board members done that INCREASED YOUR taxes?YOU are the one saying its all about money and taxes, how many times was your taxes raised before they were in office? Get a grip. Its town politics, nothing more nothing less in a town that really is a good ol boy network of who you know.
No argument about it being the "good ole boys" taking residents money by force and under threat.
It is all about money. Kings Park was supported by perticone/aldersley when town documents showed it was the most expensive option.
In a recent discussion with an engineer, working for the town, on a project we discussed some of these foolish design and spending mechanisms. The engineer said--" this would never happen in the private sector".
In the Master Plan Update there is little, if any, mention of "incentives" and/or realistic incentive zoning to promote and encourage development and redevelopment for the betterment of the town.
Left leaders gave medley a $300,000,000 tax break but have shown no interest in programs for other development and redevelment--both commercial and residential.
Look to nearby towns to see how government operates. See if they do anything different to gain better results. Look to the successful and learn of more progressive policies in simple government operations that may benefit our town. There are many simple policies that would affect change and at the very least give the town a better chance of reversing the decline.
You are correct--the entrenched few who have all the answers will not allow anything they do not initiate.
You will love this one: I brought a grant program worth up to $600,000 to the town to the attention of all leaders earlier this year. In speaking with the grantors recently, I learned the program could be extended with ongoing addition funding. I was told the town would have had a very good chance of success. Yet no application was made. That's sick. there are plenty of people who would have worked to make a $1 million grant opportunity a reality. But it takes leadership--on the left and on the right.
Love this.....last two sentences of the article on Rochester Homepage Channel 8 website:
"D'Aurizio says there has been a lot of bickering in this race.
She's received several calls from concerned residents suggesting she have a police officer at her door for security."
Really? Are we going there? Are we going to make up stories about how threatening CERTAIN PEOPLE are?
Maybe Bob Ament needs personal police protection after that nasty mailer? I'm still amazed that the people claiming that everyone needs to be more positive, non-political, and respectful sent out such a political, negative, and disrespectful mailer.
I'm sure it was for the good of the Town.
Then, yesterday, police presence at 1788 Titus Avenue for the site walk for the Legacy property.
Why? Intimidation?
For the good of the town, of course.
Wonder how much O.T. is the taxpayer on the hook for with the personal police protection for a site walk?
OMG - people are calling town hall to say MJD needs police protection!?
((((WHAT!?!))) For what reason?
That's out of Heyman's playbook. What was the reason for all of the police at the sitewalk for Legacy yesterday?
Never thought I'd see the day where MJD would put her name on such a negative mailer. Can't wait until the rules are read for public input at the next meeting regarding no personal attacks. Cough-Cough...
What bothers me the most is this BS "for the good of the town" stuff. If MJD, Aldersley and Perticone really believed that, there is no way they would have approved the unethical mailer that was mailed out and then received County wide attention through the media. I'm sure the West Irondequoit school district really appreciated it.
The Supervisor saying she needs police protection in an article, trashing West Irondequoit HS and trying to rig an election are for the GOOD OF THE TOWN!
Drink the Kool-aid people!
This is just so small town. Why do people even think this is important? Who gives a rat's ass? It's like a kid on the playground calling another kid names. What, are MJD and Ament going to cry? People from other towns just laugh at Irondequoit and I can see why. The negative publicity is petty and self inflicted. And our residents and leaders never seem to learn. The board constantly brings on negative publicity by being dysfunctional and sneaky. Ament just keeps making up facts, attacking anyone who doesn't agree with him and creating stupid lawsuits that have cost the town tens of thousands in legal fees. Both the board and Ament need to grow up. Guess what, people probably just threw the mailer away anyway. Sheez, we have worse things to worry about than this crap. No wonder this town never gets anything done. If those we elected spent half the energy working for the people as they do into stabbing each other in the back, we'd all be better off. And if people like Ament don't like it here and can't do anything constructive, then MOVE!
I give a rat's ass. And a cat's. And a bat's. That's why I write about it on my blog.
I wonder if the residents off of Titus will be told "Hey, if you don't like Legacy building here then you can MOVE. We are doing this for the good of the town."
I love that a small group of people get to decide what is good for the town!
Legacy and a campaign mailer is hardly a fair comparison. The Legacy project is a real issue that affects real people's lives. Those who don't want Legacy to build off Titus are taking a constructive route to make sure that doesn't happen. They are working together and acting civilly to make their stand. I applaud that they are trying to do something constructive for their community. People who engage in a pissing match over a stupid mailing do nothing good for the town. Ament and many on the board, just embarrass themselves and Irondequoit. Mr Ament absolutely has a right to speak his mind, but has he ever offered anything constructive? If you go to any of the town board meetings, he never has had a good thing to say about the town or the people who live in it. He attacks the board, he attacks the schools, he attacks the teachers and kids. He makes up his own twisted reality. No one in this town can do anything right in his eyes. But has he done anything to genuinely help? NO! And he has now been defeated in 3 elections, so the people have soundly rejected his agenda. So you know what, yes, if the town and the people in it cause Mr. Ament such grief, why does he live here?
I wasn't comparing Legacy and a campaign mailer.
I think the people off of Titus Ave are handling their complaints and issues in a mature, level headed way.....which is why I disagree with police presence for a site walk.
Even though I agree with some of your comments, I don't like when people say "If you don't like it....move".
I understand what you're saying....and I do agree with some things.....but Ament has been constructive. Early on he organized many businesses (as reported in the news media) to spruce up the Senior Center at Pinegrove. He tried to get a skating rink built (that he ponied up cash for the liner). He tried to donate to a certain Community Cupboard but was denied because he's Bob Ament. He helped get Mary Joyce elected and worked very hard for her.
I think he's a very energetic person who has some very good ideas.....and he also asks questions that make leaders uncomfortable, and they don't like being put on the spot like that.
I think he's toned it down at the meetings the past couple of years, and I don't think voicing your concerns about Town issues or School Districts or elected leaders means you hate the Town, kids, teachers or whatever.
If you don't like Ament....fine....a lot of people don't. I understand that.
I don't like a lot of what our leaders in Albany do - I complain daily about it - I have not done anything constructive for the whole of NYS - should I move?
Anonymous said-
"People from other towns just laugh at Irondequoit and I can see why."
I must be missing all of these other towns laughing at Irondequoit. I think our Town is really a beautiful place to live.
I find it hard to believe that so many other towns are paying attention to what is going on here.
Tons of people in our town don't have a clue but other towns are laughing. Sure...
Anonymous said- "Guess what, people probably just threw the mailer away anyway."
That could be true. But we've had a story about it on channel 10, YNN and coming soon on the radio.
Great publicity- "for the good of the town".
You know what was surprising?
Morelle wasn't in the media whining about the Fair Election Committee's ruling on that mailer, was he? He sure did in the past though.
He was in the news the other day complaining about the F.E.P.C. being inconsistent and disorganized.
Last year he complained that the F.E.P.C. was unfair in their ruling because the non-voting member of the F.E.P.C. was a Republican (because he's so bi-partisan I'm sure), and he called on all Democrats to boycott the FEPC because they are biased against Democratic candidates.
Link to blog about it.
He has nothing to say about a mailer that has and is bringing negative attention to the WISD, that was sent out by HIS camp.
Gee - wonder why?
I think there is some selective memory going on here...there were negative mailers sent out by the repulicans the last election but when asked about it they said "they knew nothing about it and that it came from downtown." This wasnt a first.
Second, Ament needs to take some responsibility here too. Though I personally dont like the mailer and I personally dont think it was a good move by the Dems (even yucky if I can be honest) Ament IS the one who has written letters, spoke publicly, made icat videos about "heroin" in WICSD. When you run for office, even local office you have to plan for the fact that anything you have done or said in the past can be held against you.
to anonymous at 09/14/11@ 744am
You state that "Perticone/aldersley fought for the Apprentice Program, a far left program that increases project costs by over 25%. It would be interesting to hear why increasing project costs is in the best interest of the community."
If we can be honest here and if memory serves me right there was a proposal brought forward to gain input from the residents and businesses regarding the program. It may not have been presented very well but when the board saw and heard from the people (against the proposal in most cases) they never brought it to the floor for a vote. Doesnt that sound like they listened to the residents and businesses? Putting their own thoughts aside? If they had wanted a vote on the proposal they could brought a motion by one of them and a second by the other for a vote; did that occur? No.
Regarding Kings Park- you are right, they supported leasing a building with more space and more opportunities for our community. After having many public discussions, town wide mtgs. It was voted down in a referendum, the town has spend about almost 1 million dollars so far on a bldh that is worth about $250k and now Kings Park was sold to another non profit so you arent even getting ANY benefit of taxes from the REIT; good decision.
You said "You will love this one: I brought a grant program worth up to $600,000 to the town to the attention of all leaders earlier this year. In speaking with the grantors recently, I learned the program could be extended with ongoing addition funding. I was told the town would have had a very good chance of success. Yet no application was made. That's sick. there are plenty of people who would have worked to make a $1 million grant opportunity a reality. But it takes leadership--on the left and on the right."
I find it funny that you have brought a grant worth $600k to the town and they turned it down.
Schantz turned down one of your schemes that would have "only cost $1"
MEH turned down one of your schemes because she was "getting paybacks from her rich Boston friends"
Anyone here see a common thread? Hmmm, I see the common denominator here.
If you want grants how is Blue Springs energy doing? How many grants has the town brought forward, applied for OR received since they fired Favro?
I will give you a hint~NOT 1. NOT $1.
Anonymous @ 8:22 am -
What mailer are you talking about? That one with the truck on it and the wad of cash in the back that said the previous administration was hiring people from outside of Irondequoit? The one that had downtown's address on it? That is the "negative" you're talking about? This one? (BTW-I don't know anyone who received this mailer, the only time I saw it was on the IQWatch blog.)
Selective memories won't remember that the Dems did the same thing when they sent out mailers questioning Shantz's hiring of people outside of Irondequoit. The article I linked to says that the Dems sent out mailers questioning their hiring practices too.
"Ament IS the one who has written letters, spoke publicly, made icat videos about "heroin" in WICSD. "
Right. He did. Eight months ago, and it wasn't all over the news.....AND....he wasn't using the "heroin in schools" to further his run for Supervisor. The only time the "heroin in schools" became political is when the Dems sent out that mailer to every household in Irondequoit saying Ament was using kids to further his political career....AND....the only time it was all over the news is when the Dems sent out that mailer - that had MJD, Aldersley, and Perticone's name on it.
Then - to go on the news and say how horrible it is to say that about our schools.....after sending out THOUSANDS of mailers to every household and it's all over the news BECAUSE OF THAT MAILER......sorry......it's pretty hypocritical.
I listened to 98.9 The Buzz and heard a woman say that there is a drug problem in the schools. Many of my family and friends have kids that go to IHS and they said the same thing....there is a drug problem.
Not just IHS - but schools all over Monroe County, and it's mostly abuse of perscription drugs, and pot.....some heroin.
I think it's funny that some people are just flat out denying it...."No, there's no problem at all. It's just the ravings of a lunatic." or "We did a survey and the kids said that they don't do that nasty heroin!" lol
Anonymous @ 8:31 am -
If I may pipe in here on one subject....
"so you arent even getting ANY benefit of taxes from the REIT; good decision."
It was a good decision. Why should CDBG money (which is to go to help the poor or elderly) help a landlord pay his property taxes?
That's basically what the CDBG money would have done.....ESL was leaving (thanks to downtown) and that would have left the only tenant.....the Senior Center.
The proposal was that ONLY the Senior Center would go to KP - so how did that help the whole community?
The taxpayers would have still been on the hook for Pinegrove even if the Senior Center moved to KP - they still would have owned the building and needed to make repairs (Helmer Nature Center would still be there....) and if the Town sold it to the WISD - then the taxpayers from the SD would be on the hook to spend money to repair it.
For a 5 year lease....and....what would happen after the 5 years are up? Nobody knows.
I don't agree with CDBG money being used to pay the property taxes for a landlord.
KP is private property and they can sell to whoever they want....they chose a 'not for profit' - that is their business, not up to the town to use their CDBG money to keep property taxes rolling in from that property.
Maybe the laws should be revised to enable municipalities to collect property taxes from certain not for profits like medical centers or whatever is there right now. It's not a hospital - it's medical offices.
Anonymous @ 8:35 -
"If you want grants how is Blue Springs energy doing? How many grants has the town brought forward, applied for OR received since they fired Favro?
I will give you a hint~NOT 1. NOT $1."
I really think someone should go up at Public Input and ask about this. It's important.
Anonymous said...
I think there is some selective memory going on here...there were negative mailers sent out by the repulicans the last election but when asked about it they said "they knew nothing about it and that it came from downtown." This wasnt a first.
OMG- this is your comparison!? That Downtown mailer that went to a handful of people?! Mainly Democratic Committee members and MJD, Essley and Marasco didn't see the mailer prior to it being sent out.
The Ament mailer that was recently done is dirty, dirty politics. Approved by Mary Joyce D'Aurizio for sure because we heard her say on TV that she didn't write it but it was true.
I'm assuming that Perticone and Aldersley also had knowledge of the mailer since it had Perticone's address on it and they didn't come out and condemn the mailer.
Supposedly, the cross endorsement was done because it was "for the good of the town."
A DIRTY mailer that went to the WHOLE town and references drugs in our schools that received radio and TV attention is NOT "for the good of the town."
Selective memory not at all. These are just 2 totally different issues.
Maybe if you weren't so busy defending the Democrats on this one you would see the difference.
Plus the fact that MJD is Republican and she sadly went right along with Morelle's gross idea too.
What a guy, he really cares about our community. Sure...
Anonymous said-
"Regarding Kings Park- you are right, they supported leasing a building with more space and more opportunities for our community. After having many public discussions, town wide mtgs. It was voted down in a referendum, the town has spend about almost 1 million dollars so far on a bldh that is worth about $250k and now Kings Park was sold to another non profit so you arent even getting ANY benefit of taxes from the REIT; good decision."
I must have missed the public discussions and town wide meetings. Probably because they didn't happen! I remember meetings about combining the libraries etc. but when were all of these meetings about renting King's Park for a senior center?
Heyman, Evans, Bello, Perticone and Aldersley voted unanimously to RENT King's Park right before Thanksgiving at a regular TB meeting. Not a public hearing. They just voted and that was that.
Then it was up to the people to go out in the winter during the holidays to obtain the signatures needed for a vote.
That TB also spent over $100,000 on a consultant to hash King's Park. Plus the Democrat party pretended to be a Senior's First Committee and they sent out political mailings to vote yes to RENT King's Park.
Still with the Morelle grant at the last minute, political mailers and TB spin the people said - NO thanks.
It was a good decision because it was the PEOPLE'S decision
Cheri -
It must be those selective memories.
The logic sounds just like past officials. No I did not bring a grant to the Board. I brought the information of the grant, or a grant opportunity to the board members. The group with the grant money recently told me they were disappointed the town never spoke with them.
As usual the misinformation continues.
The program was worth up to $200,000 per year for 3 years. If successful it would likely be extended.
Why town leadership chose to ignore the opportunity is for them to say.
Town was informed last spring.
Well if you didnt love $100k spent on a consultant you probably wont love this either:
"9A2011-5 Adopt a Resolution in the Amount of $250,000 Authorizing the Design and Planning for a New DPW Operations Complex in the Town of Irondequoit"
I wonder if they put this one out for bid? Or if they are in the process of doing this? We are so broke we keep hearing?
I also think it is funny when you bring the Kings Park referendum which WAS voted down by the people of Irondequoit (i agree) it was still supported by many. Many people wanted this to pass so there will be forever people wanting a new library or bigger libraries or a community center or whatever because those people though it wasnt the majority still do want something. Look at all the responses in the I Square and you will see what I am talking about.
I like how if someone defends an idea it is supporting all dems. Cheri states "Maybe if you weren't so busy defending the Democrats on this one you would see the difference." Well I think maybe if YOU werent so busy always putting down Morelle, democrats or anyone who has a different opinion that yours then maybe YOU would see some differences. CLosed minded people dont get very far in consensus buiilding. I am STILL hoping for a town board that can do this. For the good of our town.
Hey I give a rats ass too. But what I give a rats ass about might be different than you give a rats ass about; how come people seem to forget that. We do live in a democracy where everyone IS entitled to their opinion (which is good) but sometimes people take it too far.
How do you or anyone else know what the supervisor puts up with on a daily basis? Couldnt it be that she in fact WAS threatened or the planning board was threatened? I choose to believe she wouldnt be wasting taxpayers dollars and pulling police away from real issues if she didnt feel there was some sort of threat. My opinion.
I also think that people like Ament do also have a right to their opinion the difference is just because he has one doesnt mean thats how it should be.
You can say that the horrible mailer that was sent out was awful and embarrassed our town. but how about all those utube videos he made that are up ready for the workd to see? How about all of the times he has gone to the media?
I agree with Cheri, we have a wonderful town and I really doubt other towns are laughing at us over some silly little political wannabe and I agree with foils that there are drug issues in all schools but again I think some of this is getting carried on a bit too far. Seems to me like Ament can dish it out but cannot take it.
Everybody has a different idea on what is "good for the town".
Interesting about the DPW - but I do remember them talking about how the DPW garage is 'dangerous' - how you can't get one vehicle out without moving others first....there's no room.
Also, I'm wondering where this new DPW facility would be built? If it's not on Town Hall Campus....that could make room for a consolidated library/senior/community center on Town Hall Campus.
Which, as I have said all along, makes more sense to have it at Town Hall. "Neutral ground" - not east/west.
We'll see what happens.
Hope someone goes up to public input and asks about Blue Springs and the grants they haven't done.........
Anonymous @ 4:06 -
"Couldnt it be that she in fact WAS threatened or the planning board was threatened?"
Could be - but the people off of Titus have been very well behaved. I don't understand why police presence was necessary for a site walk. If there was an actual threat, I would assume the police would deal with the individual making the threat....not a bunch of people who show up to a site walk.
Investigate the threat - don't intimidate the people off of Titus with police presence for a site walk.
Saying that people are calling town hall to tell her to have police outside her door....and repeating that to the media is just grabbing headlines. If there was a threat....a REAL threat....then the police should be investigating.
"but how about all those utube videos he made that are up ready for the workd to see? How about all of the times he has gone to the media? "
How about them? I haven't looked at his you tubes in years. Why? Because I don't want to. I CHOOSE to not view them.
How many times has Ament gone to the media about heroin in schools?
Just that guest essay he wrote 8 months ago....and the news didn't pick up on that essay, did they? They picked it up AFTER the mailer went out to EVERYONE IN IRONDEQUOIT.
I'm not saying he's right - I disagree with a lot of what he says - but this "heroin" thing didn't hit the news media until that mailer went out.
If they cared about the image of the town more than politics.....that mailer wouldn't have gone out.
Anonymous @ 3:53pm said;Cheri states "Maybe if you weren't so busy defending the Democrats on this one you would see the difference." Well I think maybe if YOU werent so busy always putting down Morelle, democrats or anyone who has a different opinion that yours then maybe YOU would see some differences."
True, I'm not a Morelle fan for all kinds of reasons. Number 1 being he's been in there waaaayyyyy to long.
Sorry, I don't always put down Democrats or people that have a different opinion though. I tell it like I see it. If I think the Republicans are wrong I say it, the same with the Democrats. Actually I just had a letter to the editor in the Post where I was critical of our Supervisor during the last TB meeting and she's a Republican.
I don't have any problems with people having different opinions either. Sometimes my mind gets changed after debate and conversation about certain topics.
But of course you are allowed your opinion.
I LOVE the I-Square plan. A private developer investing in our Town, I think it's wonderful!
I didn't know about the DPW resolution. Kind of surprised about that kind of expense right now but I look forward to hearing more information on it.
Cheri -
You're not the only one who dislikes Morelle (politically).
Besides myself, some other people don't think he's that effective as MCDC chairman. City News article.
3:53 PM
Consensus building is done by reaching out to all. Not by kicking people off committees when they only tell the truth. Look up "Community Involvement in the Development Process" and look to the references and national experts writing on this subject. The methods work. They have never been more important than today. All across the country, with overbuilt towns and crippling levies, the aversity to change is abundant. Irondequoit is not unique, the people here are no different.
Nice catch on the silly $250k fee for design. The design fee was zero in 2004-2005 for the new DPW building that was necessary to affect the campus plan. I do expect daurizio to announce she has obtained the 590 site with help of morelle, thus freeing up 1280 titus for the future of the town. There is not one professional who would recommend 1280 titus for a new DPW if the town were embarking on starting a new Department of Public Works. The trucks are very dangerous.
City Newspaper hasn't allowed all the comments made about Morelle on that story to appear either.
Anonymous @ 8:08 -
I think City News is "out of the office" on the weekends....maybe today or tomorrow you will see more comments?
They do "police" their comments though....and any that violate their T.O.S. usually aren't allowed....they also have deleted comments that don't stick to the topic.
This government stuff is so confusing. Last wednesday Officials presented the Master Plan Update to the town. They did not allow any questions to CPL engineers even though CPL has stated for 2 years at every feedback reply that questions would be taken and answered at the next gathering. No questions and no explanation of why no questions. Seems an odd way to run a public input, public feedback, public question, public involvement exercise---aka master plan. I did inquire with Comprehensive Plan experts today who laughed at a Master Plan Meeting with no public discussion. The comment was "why bother"?
Does anyone know why Leaders announced there would be a public hearing on the master plan in October and there is no mention of it on the Agenda?
Anyone know how to work thru the complexity of two zoning changes with two seqr during a Comprehensive Plan Update that also involves seqr with generic inpact statements?. Town will be changing Zoning for MUC (titus cooper area). But the Comp Plan includes MUC in present form. Why would town board be promoting the comp plan, individual zoning changes for specific projects and seqr?
Then there is the Sign Code Laws that need revision.
All of these are comp plan issues; all ignored to date.
Like one board member wrote to the resident researcher regarding master plan question during the medley fiasco:
“If you wanted to put an improvement on your property, you would not want to wait several months for a permit while the town does a master plan.” ----------, Town Board member, personal communication (e-mail), December, 18, 2008
The town needs to throw the master plan in the waste basket. No official cares one hoot about a "voice of the community". The town is always chasing the next single project at the political discretion of the next official who only looks to the next month.
But as we were told----This is what we elect these important people for. We need them to make these important decisions for us.
Anonymous 11:26- I wonder when the public hearing regarding the master plan will be too? Hope it happens.
I wonder what this entails?
9A2011-6 Adopt a Bond Resolution in the Amount of $200,000 for Improvements to the Town Hall
Wish the agenda was more descriptive. Hey, maybe it's for the outdoor bathrooms...wink, wink. Oh wait, wrong administration..
Cheri -
lol I think that resolution about "improvements" is for that 'portico' or whatever they were going to build at the entrance. I remember them talking about wind whipping through when they open the doors.
Guess we'll find out tonight.
Odd - I was just looking at Irondequoit Post's Police and Fire blotter from May through present......and there's not a thing in there about a threat to anyone at Town Hall.
Ya know - if there was truly a threat, I would think the police would be called to investigate it....especially since concerned residents are calling Town Hall to tell the Supervisor to have a Policeman stationed outside her door....and especially since the police presence at the Site Walk for Legacy means they felt threatened (or, just wanted to intimidate regular ol' citizens of Irondequoit).
I wonder why no incident report or mention of the "threat" was indicated in any of the police/fire blotters dating back to May?
So very, very odd. I mean, if you're going to insinuate to the news media that Irondequoit is so very dangerous that concerned citizens are telling you to have the police stationed outside the Supervisor's door - and a police presence at a site walk - then maybe there should be SOME mention of ANY threat in the police blotter.....dontcha think?
Nothing like telling the media this, right? Keeping that positive image of Irondequoit alive and well.....
For the good of the Town, of course.
Board meeting tonight. Popcorn time?
Anonymous @ 4:31 -
lol Yes, definitely....or maybe some Raisinettes?
You get the Peabody Award for meritorious public service for suggesting that! ;)
or some vaaarrrmmm milk? :)
lol Oh Frau Blucher.....what about the ovaltine?
How nice we are graced by Assemblyman Morelle's presence tonight.
Anonymous @ 7:22 -
Yes, how wonderful. Too bad he booked out of there right after the presentation.
Guess we know who is interested in the business and purpose of the Town meetings.
Maybe he was just grabbing headlines?
Does the Town lawyer even look at the Town Code for meetings?
Devlin was correct - they could have followed the agenda as it was .....public hearings cannot be scheduled BEFORE 7:35pm. They can have it later. Town code states that public input will be scheduled for a 1/2 hour from 7pm to 7:30 pm - but that time is "wasted" with presentations and awards and conservation comments.
Link to town code.
Public input.
A. Public input shall be administered as follows:
(1) Speakers may call the Town Clerk to schedule to speak until 4:30 p.m. of the day of the meeting.
(2) Speakers may sign the speaker's schedule until commencement of the meeting.
(3) Order of appearance is based upon the order of sign-up.
(4) Comments on items scheduled for public hearings will not be permitted during public input.
(5) Speakers will be limited to three minutes and may speak only once on each topic.
(6) Speakers will address comments to the Town Board, staff or department heads and not to other members of the audience in the form of an attack or a debate.
(7) Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
(8) Public input will be scheduled for one-half (1/2) hour at the beginning of each Town Board meeting (7:00 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.).
(9) If all scheduled speakers have not been heard, public input will be continued at the conclusion of the regular meeting for anyone else desiring to speak.
(10) No public hearing will be scheduled prior to 7:35 p.m.
Also - there was clarification on the $250k for DPW - it's for a salt barn. Not for a new DPW facility....even though I think the DPW should have a new facility...just for a new salt barn because the old one is falling apart.
No outdoor bathrooms for us. Haha.
You were right Jax it's for the portico.
I was glad to see MJD try to get back to public input after all of the time was used on other things.
I think the town attorney needs to brush up on Irondequoit Town Code.
Public hearings can't start before 7:35 and since they used the whole half hour for other stuff he should have allowed it.
Hopefully next time he won't be consulted on that decision. :(
Well, at least there were no political comments made during public input. I will sleep well tonight.
Nighty night snuggle bunny. Sweet dreams.
Love it Anonymous 9:05! Yes, we can all sleep well now. :)
I kinda feel bad for them that they have to deal with the problem of the SBWD - their powers are limited in what they can do.....and they have to loan them money.....you can't just let them be in the negative and not make payroll or pay water bills.
I give the board credit for really discussing this and asking questions and trying to grasp the severity of the situation.
It's nice that the Supervisor wants to work with the SBWD and figure out solutions.....but....and I think Perticone brought up a point that this could be an ongoing problem......but this is a lot of money that the Town now has to take from the Highway Department to cover the "mistakes" of the SBWD.
Short term...they have to do this. I hope there is a plan for long term.
I feel really bad that the TB has to deal with this problem that they did not create.
I have a headache just thinking about it.
OOoooh Paul just brought up some very good points and said that there would be no disruption in water service if the SBWD dissolved.
And MJD just talked about possibly "absorbing" the SBWD into Monroe County Water Authority.....so...that may be an option they have to take.
Paul does not support giving them the money - and I give him credit for speaking about it.
What a confusing mess! Difficult decisions - give them mega credit for trying to figure it all out.
SBWD should have been on top of this back when that unfavorable audit came out - now the TB is left to clean it up.
Ugh, how awful.
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